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Update guidance on contract suppliers and change contract signatories to additional signatories #86
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Yes:
And checking in Kingfisher:
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Should we also remove contract_buyer extension then? |
Good question. Who is using contract_buyer? |
Buenos Aires, again. If I remember well, the extension was created for Mexico Federal, but they ended up not using it. |
Noting that the contract signatories extension doesn't specify the role of the signatories, whereas using This issue has come up in Scotland recently, regarding modelling frameworks with multiple buyers in one contracting process. Helpdesk feedback was to use contract signatories, based on the direction of this conversation. FYI @mrshll1001 |
I'm suggesting the same to Buenos Aires and Honduras. But, a question, the contract.signatories list should has the complete list of signatories or if, for example, the buyer is already declared in the buyer section it can be omited in the signatories list? (or the same for suppliers) |
I think the semantics are that it should include all signatories (even if one party is the same as the buyer). If |
Note: If we go with signatories, we probably also don't want to add https://github.com/transpresupuestaria/ocds_multiple_buyers_extension to the registry. |
The current situation of having extensions for contract suppliers, contract signatories, contract buyer and (not in registry) contract multiple buyers means that we no longer have a standard way of determining the buyers and suppliers for contracts, which is very bad. In the general case, we should not use any of these extensions. There are exceptional cases in which they can be used, and we need to be clearer about that.
For this issue:
Extensions:
(Also noting that signatories data is harder to use in flattened format, as the roles of the signatories are not identified. It is better to have the buyers and suppliers in separate fields.) In OCDS 1.2, we should move these extensions into the standard, as otherwise I expect we'll continue to have extensions that model buyers, suppliers and additional signatories in conflicting ways. Standard: Add guidance on (open-contracting/standard#249) to:
cc @juanpane |
Other than the example from CDMX I'm not aware of one off the top of my head, but @transpresupuestaria may be able to provide one. This would also be the case for a framework agreement with direct call-offs, which was modelled following the guidelines in the documentation.
Awards for the set-up of framework agreements in Contracts Finder are modelled in this way (example and other UK procurement systems also use this model (example). Neither of those systems support linking between the set-up of a framework and the contracts resulting from call-offs, though competitive call-offs from the framework are sometimes disclosed under separate award notices (at which point the actual value of the contract with a specific supplier would be known). |
Yeah, a framework agreement in which multiple buyers can participate is a good example. So my new question is with respect to the semantics of 'buyer' in the multiple buyers extension. From its readme:
My understanding is that the buyer is the entity that is a party to the contract (e.g. is named as such on the contract) and that has contractual obligations. How the contract is paid is a separate concern. So, is 'buyer' being used to mean 'funder' in the extension, or are there really multiple government agencies all named as parties on an actual contract? Regarding the set-up of a framework agreement, I'd say that the monetary value (usually the maximum value of the FA) is of the award decision (the decision to include the suppliers in the FA). I'm looking for an example where there's an award notice making multiple decisions (e.g. awarding different lots to different suppliers), yet there is only one monetary value for the whole notice. |
The description of the
Regarding frameworks, I'm not quite sure I followed:
Are you proposing that the examples mentioned would be modelled as multiple awards in OCDS (one per supplier included in the award decision)? |
Good catch, thanks! The EU eProcurement Ontology also has "Organisation that manages the budget allocated for the procedure and pays for the items being procured." So, we'll add the multiple buyers extension to the registry. We might want to clarify how 'funder' is different from 'buyer' since "entity providing money" is not far from "entity whose budget will be used".
No, there would be a single award (decision) for all suppliers on the same framework agreement. As with other award decisions, there can be multiple decisions on an award notice (not the case in the examples, but it's possible in the EU for one procedure to set-up multiple FAs). |
I see there's already an issue about buyer-funder confusion: open-contracting/standard#825 |
eForms Policy Implementation Handbook mentions:
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See also #131 |
Contract suppliers was staged for OCDS 1.1 but rejected: open-contracting/standard#249 (comment)
Contract signatories seems to satisfy the same needs, but without the issues that contract suppliers has.
Are any publishers using the contract suppliers extension? From my perspective, it should be removed from the registry in favor of contract signatories.
If we keep it, the readme needs an example.
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