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In a recent email on the FDC3 mailing list, @kriswest wrote:
... I also want to add that there is clearly significant interest in the community in enabling FDC3 use on the web. There is a strong use case in that it would enable better onboarding journeys with less drop-off (where you use an app on the web with others before adopting a desktop container or similar).
and:
But there are also additional challenges such as how to make the API available reliably without importing a proprietary module from a particular vendor into every app, how to deal with more than one implementation of API/Desktop Agent in the browser at once, how to do this reliably and securely within the browser sandbox etc.. Work needs to be done in the Standard to solve these issues and to make web browser use possible in a future FDC3 Standard version - which I believe is possible (and likely to involve using a vendor-agnostic FDC3 NPM module to detect and connect to API implementation(s)). However, we're going to need to do that work to enable the aforementioned API implementations to be compliant and if we fail to hold the line now on compliance with the current version of the FDC3 Standard, that may never happen.
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Agenda
Convene & roll call, review meeting notices (5mins)
Review action items from previous meeting (5mins)
Continue review of 'Questions to answer to set Implementation Details' - in shared document, items marked in red (30 mins)
Options to pass to Desktop Agents
App Identity
API to retrieve additional API instances (Use case 4)
Security issues
FDC3 versions
NPM module(s) and naming
Review 'Summary of discussions ' in shared document (15mins)
AOB & Adjourn (5mins)
Minutes
The meeting briefly revised the question of how configuration options should be provided to Desktop Agents, through the installer
The use of an App Directory Record was reconfirmed as the preferred route (as this is how such config is currently provided - both for intents and DA implementation-specific options in hostManifests)
The rest of the meeting focused on the discussion of use cases 2 & 4 and the provision of identity details for apps
It was noted that current FDC3 versions/implementations tend ignore the fact that web pages can be navigated and become other apps
This is rare in containers which tend not to display an address bar, however, in web browsers this will always be present and users will expect to be able to use it
@kriswest confirmed that the window.opener reference remains in place and can be used for postMessage communication (albeit originating from the new origin) with a parent window - meaning apps that have navigated and become new apps can still use postMessage to communicate with a parent DA window - although they should not have an assumed identity and should supply a new identity that can be validated.
postMessage communications will always include the origin of the window that sent the message - hence this may be used to help establish/validate the app's identity.
@kriswest suggested that this group may need to start working on issues of app and desktop agent identity (rather than deferring to the discussion group starting up) in order to produce an MVP
@pbaize indicated a reluctance to trust app-provided info without a way to validate it - a position on which there was general consensus
It was further suggested that by @kriswest that public/private key system might work for this with public keys provided in appD records, and the requirement for a signed token to be passed by an app to confirm its identity.
@pbaize made the further suggestion that app-provided info might be more trustworthy if it can be validated or scoped via brower-api provided info
Further discussion established that this is a viable approach!
AppD records already contain start URLs and could be augmented with allowed origins as needed.
Containers can establish the current URL of windows they host
child windows that communicate with a parent via postMessage reveal their origin in every message
independent web windows may need another procedure, but are currently out of scope for an MVP, beyond providing an escape hatch to run custom code if other use-cases do not apply.
Micro-front-end-container windows with multiple widgets can use the same procedure as long as appD records for the widgets contain the details of their host window, whose identity / origin should be established via one of the other use-cases
Action Items
@kriswest to update the summary at the bottom of the shared doc with details of the identity establishment procedures (based on window origin)
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Group overview
Group convened to discuss how to enable FDC3 use in a web browser, without the use of a browser extension (such as fdc3-desktop-agent or a container).
Issue: #896
Mailing list discussion: https://groups.google.com/a/finos.org/g/fdc3/c/jCvlLjokBLs
In a recent email on the FDC3 mailing list, @kriswest wrote:
... I also want to add that there is clearly significant interest in the community in enabling FDC3 use on the web. There is a strong use case in that it would enable better onboarding journeys with less drop-off (where you use an app on the web with others before adopting a desktop container or similar).
and:
But there are also additional challenges such as how to make the API available reliably without importing a proprietary module from a particular vendor into every app, how to deal with more than one implementation of API/Desktop Agent in the browser at once, how to do this reliably and securely within the browser sandbox etc.. Work needs to be done in the Standard to solve these issues and to make web browser use possible in a future FDC3 Standard version - which I believe is possible (and likely to involve using a vendor-agnostic FDC3 NPM module to detect and connect to API implementation(s)). However, we're going to need to do that work to enable the aforementioned API implementations to be compliant and if we fail to hold the line now on compliance with the current version of the FDC3 Standard, that may never happen.
Shared doc with current draft: https://tick42-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/finsemble_datastore_interop_io/EZ0dfTCdRlJCnIF3C_1Oit0B7xK0OOJ0nAvC73dwad53AA?e=x2zlge
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Thursday 27th July 2023 - 11am EST / 4pm BST
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