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Finishers per Year please #105

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Banana090 opened this issue Oct 22, 2020 · 4 comments
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Finishers per Year please #105

Banana090 opened this issue Oct 22, 2020 · 4 comments

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@Banana090
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When checking your profile to find a map to finish next you want to know:

  1. How many points you gonna get
  2. Time needed to finish
  3. Is this map possible with dummy (optional)
    And the topic one:
  4. How hard is this map in reality

It is not secret that stars/points quite often lie about the real map's difficulty. I assume that's why you added "finishers" column.

But the problem with "finishers" column is that hardest maps, released 10 years ago can be finished 3 times more then new easy maps.

That's why I want to ask you add the finishers per year column, that calculates how many new finishes this map have in average per year (or 1/4 year, it doesn't matter)

That would raise some understanding of your chances to finish this map

@def-
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def- commented Oct 22, 2020

But even this won't be representative if a map has been released 1 week ago. How about we fix the maps with bad points rating instead?

@Patiga
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Patiga commented Oct 22, 2020

I think he raises a valid point. It's not easy to find a suitable map to play next.
Usually you want to find either a map that is of a certain difficulty, or one which you will finish in a certain time period.

Difficulty: I don't think that finishes by year is a correct approach. When I look for maps that I can finish i usually open profiles of a player with a similar skill level and see which maps i haven't finished yet. Map ratings do partially solve this but for example solo maps or dummy maps have too few rating steps, at which point i open player profiles, also ratings only rarely changed and it is openly said that old maps have improper ratings which don't suit them anymore.

Time: Average finish time is kind of the thing you have to use, however it doesn't really tell you what you actually ask for. For example it won't take into account how faily a map is and how many attempts you will make that won't count towards the finish time, also the noob filter and still other factors affect the usefulness of that value when you are looking for a map to finish in a certain time period.

@kaitlynia
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I have thought about this for a long time without even reading this issue page. Is there a way to track Steam finishes? Or possibly just number of finishes after Aug 17, 2020? I have a third-party tool I made in order to decide what to play next, which would be difficult to explain on the website but it works like this:

PlayRank = points * finishes / sqrt(years since release + 1) * (race_solo_or_dummy ? 2 : 1)

Justification: I want to play maps that will reward me with points, but number of finishes helps to tell me if maybe the map is a bit over/underrated. Dividing by the number of years can tell us how often the map is still played for points by new players but it was a bit too steep without square root. Reason for x2 for solo types is that they have half the clears, since normally you finish a 2p map with twice the number of tees, unless 1 fails.

Anyway, I agree that rerate would make this less urgent of a fix but I think it's still useful all on its own

@def-
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def- commented Apr 5, 2024

We don't track steam finishes. Finishes since August 2020 would be easy to track

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